Q: What are the differences between stainless steel spokes and nipples and chrome steel spokes and nipples?
A: Stainless steel spokes and nipples do not rust while chrome-plated steel does. Stainless steel, depending upon the type used, is also stronger than chrome steel and is better suited for heavier cars or where the horsepower and handling of the automobile have been improved. Sadly, without expert polishing, stainless steel is not as shiny as chrome steel and has a satin-type patina to it that some owners find objectionable.
For owners who are not able to keep the spokes and nipples as dry as possible or who live in a high humidity locale, stainless steel is worth consideration. However, the rest of the wheel cannot be ignored simply because stainless steel spokes are in-place. It does little good to have rust-free spokes if the other chrome-plated surfaces are rusting away. The wheels will still demand attention and the need for drying away water and keeping the surfaces clean. The nipples will trap water and are generally the first place for rust to begin. Stainless steel nipples will prevent rust.
Please be aware that in all applications, the wheel hub and outer rim are still chrome steel and must be maintained to avoid rust or corrosion. Please click here to view the differences between stainless steel and chrome plated steel surfaces.
Q . What is the difference between lip-lace, standard and reverse-style wire wheel spoke patterns?
A: The obvious differences in appearance are shown in the photos below. Starting with the "lip-lace " or "bead-lace " style, this type of wheel features spokes that are installed very close to the front edge of the wire wheel. These wheels are typically used on classic Thunderbirds and other automobiles where a high backspace or positive off-set is required to either properly fit a wheel well or clear certain disc brakes. Lip-lace wire wheels require the use of inner-tubes. This is due to the manner of their construction.
The standard style of wire wheel finds the hub section of the wheel installed near the middle of the outer rim. There is generally equal distance or nearly equal spacing of the hub, between the front edge of the wheel and the back edge of the wheel. The standard style is the most common style and fits most automobiles. Inner-tubes are normally not necessary with style of wheel unless the tires selected require them.
The reverse style of wheel features the hub section of the wheel installed as close to the back edge of the wheel as possible. By doing this, a "deep-dish" look is presented. Although the reverse style of wheel is quite attractive, it is the most difficult to fit onto a car without sufficient space in the wheel wells. Further, large drum brakes or disc brakes may not fit inside the wheel as they would with a standard pattern wire wheel. Inner-tubes are normally not necessary with style of wheel unless the tires selected require them.
Before deciding which style you prefer for your car, it is suggested that you take careful measurements of your wheel wells and brakes. Please click on this link to download a copy of our measuring guide. We are always happy to provide further information about the styles of wheels we offer.
The wheel on the left is a standard style wire wheel. Please notice how the hub of the wheel is located near the middle of the outer rim. The wheel on the right is a reverse style wheel. The hub is installed very close to the back edge of the rim, creating a "deep-dish" type look. (Please click on the pictures for a larger image.)
The wheel on the left is a "lip-lace " or "bead-lace " type wheel. The spokes are installed nearly at the front edge of the wheel. This is necessary for proper fitment in small wheel wells or to fit large disc brake calipers. This style of wheel is often used where fender skirts are used and there is not sufficient space for the wheel and tire. The wheel on the right is a standard pattern wheel. The hub section of the wheel is located near the middle of the outer rim. This is the most common type of wheel style. (Please click on the pictures for a larger image.)
Q: How do I find an installer for my wire wheels?
A: Wire wheels are not quite like conventional stock, steel or aluminum wheels. The wheels that we offer are made the same way they were over 70 years ago. by hand. They do not have the same level of precision that stock, steel or aluminum wheels may currently have. Sadly, most tire shops we have encountered do not have technicians with sufficient experience or knowledge to know how to understand the proper methods and procedures to mount wire wheels or they may have incorrect equipment for the job. Most of the "Big-box" type tire stores do not have the experience, time or desire to give the extra care mounting a wire wheel may require. We have had numerous problems where an inexperienced or "rushed" installer will not properly mount the wheels and tires, improperly balance them and in even worse cases, scratch, bend or damage the wire wheel. The most important thing in selecting an installer is to find one who HAS EXPERIENCE with wire wheels. We would rather have an installer who has wire wheel experience do the job than an inexperienced installer who has the world's best installation equipment. Experience trumps equipment. Always ask the installer is they have installed wire wheels before. Some of the wire wheels we offer require inner-tubes. We have found that some shops just flat-out will not mount wheels with inner-tubes. Determine from your technician if installing inner-tubes will be a problem for them.
Generally, the wheel and tire shops that cater to hot rodders, customizers, high-end wheel owners and Jaguar owners will have the most experience. Regarding equipment, familiarize yourself with our mounting instructions and try to have the installer use "Lug-Centric" type equipment such as a finger attachment or flange plates. Better yet, if you can find an installer who can balance your wheels and tires on your car, you will obtain a more precision balance. What we are typically experiencing are installation shops that use modern, high-tech type balancers that are not calibrated or set-up for wire wheels which have much different tolerances than modern wheels. An inexperienced or un-informed installer will not recognize this difference in wheel architecture and conclude that the wire wheel is "out of round" or defective and not attempt to properly balance the wheel. This situation is aggravated if the installer makes no attempt to rotate the tire on the rim or match the high and low spots of the wheel and tire to maximize the balancing results. Wire wheels, especially when mounted with whitewall tires can call for large amounts of weight, sometimes over 5 to 6 ounces of weight. This is normal. A responsible installer will take steps to re-balance to minimize the required weight while others won't spend the time or will misinform the customer that something is wrong with the wheels and tires.
An additional concern to be aware of is that some tires, especially older or worn tires will make it difficult to obtain a precision balance when matched with wire wheels. We recommend making sure your tires are less than 7 years of age and in good condition. If you take your wheels and tires off of your car, be certain that you re-install them in the same location. If your wheel and tire came off the left front of the car, please return the wheel and tire to that position. This is very important. We are always a phone call away if you have any questions. Let us help you obtain the best possible balancing for your new wheels. Finally, consider purchasing a wheel and tire package from us that has the correct tire properly mounted on your wheel. You will have a much smoother installation doing it this way and probably will end up saving money and time.
Q: Do wire wheels require a lot of maintenance?
A: Wire wheels will require more maintenance than a conventional steel or mag wheel. They are not as easy to clean as the aforementioned styles. It is not as easy to get between the spokes to remove any dirt or debris. If your car is in daily service as opposed to a weekend driver or trailer-queen, you can expect to have to clean your wheels frequently if you want to keep them as attractive as possible. Some enthusiasts have no problem with this task and consider it part of the overall detailing demands of owning a collector car, while other owners are less tolerant with the task and may even consider it a burden. You should not consider purchasing wire wheels if you are not prepared to perform regular maintenance. Over time, if you keep your wheels relatively clean, it will hardly seem like it is taking that long at all to keep them like new. In our view, no other form of wheels looks as great as wire wheels.
- Q: Can I use my current tires on the new wire wheels or must I buy new tires?
- A: It is perfectly O.K. to run your current tires if they are the correct size for your new wheels. It is important to make sure that you return the tires to their original position on your car once mounted on the new wheels. In other words, if you take a tire off the left front wheel, you should return the same tire to this location. Also, we recommend checking your alignment once the new wheels are installed and realigning your car if necessary.
- Please carefully follow our balancing instructions for maximum performance of your new wheels. Read all instructions carefully before installing.
- Please click here for our mounting instructions
- Q: Is it true that wire wheels are prone to rusting out?
- A: Due to the architecture and design of wire wheels, they tend to trap
water. Our wire wheels use a style of chrome plating that is of a very high standard but permitting water or moisture to accumulate or remain on the chrome surfaces can eventually lead to a surprisingly rapid appearance of rust or corrosion. This is true with nearly all chrome wheels, not just ours. The extra effort in drying off your wheels as described below will result in years, even multiple decades of rust-free use.
- When considering the purchase of wire wheels, you should be mindful that if your wheels get wet, you should take steps as soon as reasonably possible to dry off your wheels. If you wash your car, start by driving it around the block a few times to get water out of and off the surfaces and then dry the wheels thoroughly. If you have an air hose or even a garden blower, you should use this to remove any remaining water. Some owners will apply a thin coat of WD40 or other rust inhibitor on their wheels, especially if the vehicle is going into winter storage.
- Please feel free to call or email us to discuss wire wheel maintenance. We want you to be happy with your wire wheels.
- Q: How can I keep my wheels looking show quality?
- A: This is a question we feel confident we can answer because our wheels are used by many owners of Concours cars and we have received many thank you cards, emails and phone calls from our show-winning customers. We recommend using soap and water to keep your wheels clean. A dish-washing liquid detergent is sufficient. Even though our chrome plating is rugid, harsh detergents and especially abrasive and bleach containing products can cause serious harm to your chrome surfaces. This may not occur suddenly but rather, over time. Harsh cleaning agents will eventually spoil your chrome. If you insist upon using a cleaner, we recommend the Wizard's brand cleaner we sell and also Simple Green. Between cleanings, spraying on a very thin coat of WD40 may help to minimize rust or corrosion, especially during winter storage. Some customers of ours report success using polishes available from Maguires, Mothers or X-treme. Please click here to view our cleaning products .
- Q: When it comes to tires, which is better, bias-ply or steel belted radials?
- A: The advantages of bias-ply tires are: 1) Most authentic, period-correct look for a vintage car. 2) Less expense generally. 3) In most cases, wider whitewalls and more choices of brands and whitewall sizes and appearances. 4) The most notable appearance features are the straight up and down or vertical side walls, the attractive "pie-crust" edges of the tires that resemble scallops and the period-correct looking tread patterns. A good example of a bias-ply tire with a wide four inch tire can be seen on this link: BIAS PLY TIRE. The disadvantages of bias-ply tires are that they do not ride as nice as steel belted radials will or perform as well on cornering or in wet conditions. They tend to follow cracks or seams in the pavement and they will "flat-spot" if they sit too long without use, although in most cases, the tires will smooth out after driving for a given distance. If you are running bias-ply tires presently that are over 9 years of age, they are probably in need of replacement and new bias-plys will probably perform much better than outdated rubber will. Bias-ply tires probably will not have as long of an estimated tread life and may not have a high enough speed rating if you have a need for speed.
- The advantages of steel-belted radial tires are: 1) Superior ride and performance. 2) Attractive design. 3) Period-correct appearance and whitewall stripes for more modern cars. 4) Longer tread-life and 5) Speed rated for higher speed driving. The disadvantages are: 1) Higher cost. 2) Can cause cracking or harm to antiquated wheels. 3) May detract from a vintage presentation on an older car. 4) In tight quarters, a steel belted radial may be wider than needed and could rub or make contact with a fender skirt or body panel. Please click here to see a fine example of steel belted radials on a collector car: STEEL BELTED RADIALS.
- To discuss the correct choice for your car, please feel free to call or email us with your questions.
- You can view our tire selection by clicking here.
- Q: I own a set of wire wheels already and I am thinking of restoring them. Does it make more sense to just purchase new wire wheels or restore the ones that I have?
- A: We are one of the few wire wheels vendors that can offer restoration and also sales of new wire wheels. For a general explanation of our restoration services, please click on this link: RESTORATION SERVICES . In most cases restoration costs will exceed the cost of purchasing new wire wheels. However, a show-quality restoration can be justified for the following reasons: A) The wheels are unique to the car and originality is required. B) Sentimental reasons (for example, the wheels belonged to the owner's late father). C) The wheels have unusual hubs, spoke counts, offsets that cannot be duplicated. D) The restored wheels will add great value to the car and can be restored to a higher standard than purchasing new wheels. E) The hubcaps or center emblems are not available anywhere else.
- Restorations can take from eight to twelve weeks or more, depending upon the nature of the services required and materials specified by the owner such as stainless steel spokes or copper plating.
- Purchasing new wheels has its advantages because new wheels may be much stronger and safer than even old, restored wheels. Thicker metals, more spokes, stronger outer rims and better suited off-sets are available in new rims. Most styles are available off-the-shelf or can be prepared within a few days or weeks.
- Q: I own a late model automobile. Can I put your Collector Style wire wheels on my car?
- A: We discourage using our Collector wheels on post 80's or 90's automobiles. Our wheels are made by hand and although they are precision-built, the tolerances and specifications we use may not be adequate for more modern cars where modern construction techniques result in much higher levels of precision. Also, some modern cars have tire pressure monitoring systems which our wheels do not have. We currently have no front wheel drive wheels in production. We are able to serve some later model automobiles such as the rear wheel drive, Cadillac Fleetwood Broughams made up until 1996. If you have any questions, please contact us for more information about your car.
- Q: During the balancing of my new wheels, I saw the front lip of the wheel weaving up and down very slightly, as though the edge is not straight. Is my wheel out of round or defective?
- A: Before any wheels leave the factory, they are triple gauge-tested for accuracy and roll out. No wheel is ever shipped that isn't within our exacting specifications. However, the front edge of our wheels are not perfectly flat and smooth like a billet aluminum rim would be. These outer rims are formed in the same manner as the originals in the '50's and 60's, and in most instances have slight rises in them that can appear to look like a wobble upon rotation. If your wheel was not damaged during shipment or during mounting, the most probable cause of this condition is the edge of the wheel not being perfectly straight. This does not affect performance and in most cases is concealed by the mounted tire. Tire installers who are not familiar with wire wheels and this type of outer rim will often report the wheel to be "out-of-round" or to be wobbling, when in fact it is not. The outer rims are made by the same people who make Cragar wheels in California and are of the highest quality. If you aren't certain about this, please feel free to call us for technical support. Don't be surprised to see weights attached in the amount of 3-5 ounces or more. If higher amounts are called for, ask the installer to rotate your tire 180 degrees and re-balance. To view our installation instructions, please click on this link.
- Q: Where can I purchase new tires, especially whitewalls at discount prices?
- A: Please visit our discount tire website at: www.widewhitetires.com for the best selection and prices on the web. We also offer wheel and tire packages at attractive prices that are a convenient way to purchase wheels and tires.
- Q: My wire wheels need repair. Can they be fixed?
- A: Yes. Simply let us know the nature of the problem and we can give you advice on how to remedy the situation. We work with repair facilities that can perform repairs such as fixing leaks, straightening out dents and replacing spokes. We specialize in the restoration of wheels. Please click here for more information.
- Q: Do you think it is a good idea to purchase used wire wheels?
- A: Unless you intend to have them restored immediately or you collect old wheels, we would recommend against it. Most used wheels we have seen have unknown histories. They could be 10, 20, 30 years old or even older. Sadly, the spokes could have small cracks or defects in them that are hardly visible. Rust can be hiding like a cancer eating away at the spokes which could lead to a serious failure. The wheels could leak from dried out or damaged inner liners resulting in costly towing bills. We have seen cases of wheels that have suffered catastrophic spoke failures which could lead to a loss of control of the automobile. You just can't be sure enough to risk your safety on used rims.
- Q: Is it a good idea to run inner-tubes in my new wire wheels?
- A: With inner-tubes, there are strong arguments to be made for and against having tubes. A lot of people think that an inner-tube by itself is a dirty-word or taboo. We respectfully disagree. The wheels we sell are "tube-friendly". The wheels are specially prepared to accept inner-tubes and there are no sharp edges in our wheels that could harm a tube. Despite our best efforts and the best efforts of the technician you may choose to install your tires, the sad fact is that leaks can happen when an owner elects to go tubeless. An inner-tube can prevent this and also solve a leakage problem no matter who caused it. Additionally, since we restore wheels, we frequently receive wire wheels that are 50 years old or more. Surprisingly, the wheels that used inner-tubes have much less or even, no rust on the interior as opposed to wheels that are run tubeless. The top photo on the below shows a 57 year old Kelsey Hayes wheel that ran inner-tubes. No rust is visible. Below the Kelsey Hayes wheel is a 3-year old wire wheel that ran without tubes. The water content and moisture in the air has caused rust in the bead area of the wheel. An inner-tube would have probably prevented this. Most wire wheel owners run collector type tires like those found on our whitewall tire website (Coker, BFGoodrich, Goodyear and Firestone). These tires work well with inner-tubes which are not discouraged by the manufacturers. It is a matter of safe practice to carefully inspect the inside of your tires to find and remove any inspection tags or mold marks and sharp edges that could cause a hole in your inner-tube if you choose to use tubes. Inner-tubes also hold the shape of the tire better and safely secure the tire on the rim with vintage wire wheels that do not have a safety-bead. If you run a radial type tire, please make sure you select a radial type inner-tube and if you have bias-ply tires, the correct tube is a bias-ply tube. With inner-tubes, the disadvantage is that if the tube should be punctured, the air will escape rapidly which could cause poor handling or even loss of control of the vehicle. A puncture to a tubeless tire will only cause air to escape from the point that the puncture occurred and leakage will most likely occur at a slower rate. You could probably limp to a tire shop if you ran a tubeless tire while a tube-type installation would put you on the sidelines.
Above: An un-restored 1953 Kelsey Hayes Skylark wheel that ran an inner-tube its entire life. Owner installed duct tape to cover the nipples. This is not recommended. The tape can become brittle and cut the inner-tube.